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Phidias Express to Live 25k: rules, price and payouts

A one-phase one-time evaluation for a $25,000 futures account. Getting funded costs $69.25 in total. Every rule and price verified on Phidias Propfirm's website on Sep 26, 2026.

$69.25$277.00−75%
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Overall score65/100
Challenge score58/100
Funded score71/100

Evaluation

Evaluation rules
Evaluation phases
1 phase
Profit target
$1,500 (6%)
Max loss
$500 (2%)
Daily loss limit
No limit
Drawdown type
Static
Target ÷ max loss
3.00×
Consistency rule
No rule
Min trading days
None
Max position size
2 minis / 20 micros
News trading
Allowed
One-day pass possible
Yes
Bots & automated trading
Semi-automated only
Copy trading
Allowed with conditions
Costs
Billing
One-time
Pricing plan
Single plan
Activation fee
Free
Reset fee
Not offered
Total to get funded
$69.25
Average cost to get funded
$277 (≈4 tries)
Average time to get funded
≈ 20 months
Fastest first payout
2 days · $69 spent
Discount code
Q4PUSH

Funded account

Funded account
Payout path
Single path
Max accounts at once
5
Path to live account
Automatic after the first (bonus) payout
Scaling plan
No
Trading rules
Max loss
$500 (2%)
Drawdown type
Static
Daily loss limit
No limit
Extra daily loss rule
None
Consistency rule
No rule
Max position size
2 minis / 20 micros
News trading
Allowed
Bots & automated trading
Semi-automated only
Copy trading
Allowed with conditions
Payouts
Profit needed between payouts
$1,500 (minimum profit)
Profit split
80%
Payout schedule
Not published
Min days of profit
None
Min profit between payouts
Profit target again on the CASH account ($1,500)
Min payout request
Not applicable (fixed bonus)
Max payout request
Fixed bonus of $1,000, then LIVE
Max daily profit
No cap
Buffer
Not required

Every price option

OptionPriceActivation feeTotal to get funded
Standard$69.25Free$69.25

Bots, copy trading and trading costs at Phidias Propfirm

Bots & automated tradingSemi-automated only
Evaluation: Semi-automated onlyFunded: Semi-automated onlyLive: Semi-automated only
  • Robots, fully automated algorithms and any other automated trading are not permitted.
  • Semi-automated software is allowed, as long as you actively monitor and manually adjust every trade.
  • High-frequency trading is not permitted.
Copy tradingAllowed with conditions
  • Copy trading is allowed within the account limits: up to 5 CASH Premium + 5 CASH Fundamental + 5 CASH/LIVE Express to Live accounts per person, company or internet connection.
  • Third-party copy software may be used; Phidias isn't responsible for its failures.
  • Identical strategies beyond the maximum allowed capital can get the accounts suspended.
Costs beyond the account price
Commissions (per contract, open + close): mini $4.40 · micro $1.58
Rithmic: $2.20 / $0.79 per side. Tradovate/NinjaTrader: $2.68 / $0.75 per side ($5.36 / $1.50 round trip)
Platform: Not published as a separate fee.
Market data: Evaluation and CASH: CME top-of-book free; Rithmic market depth $16/month per exchange or $46/month for all 4. LIVE on NinjaTrader/Tradovate: CME data debited from the account, other exchanges $156/month each; no data fees on Rithmic and dxFeed.

Checked on Phidias Propfirm's own help center on Sep 30, 2026. Sources: Phidias rules — Trading Rules (No Automated / HFT Trading) · Phidias rules — Commissions per Asset · Phidias rules — Account Limits & Copy Trading · Phidias rules — Market Data Access . Compare every firm: prop firms that allow bots · copy trading.

What getting funded really costs

Most traders don't pass on the first try. Set how long it takes you and see the full bill.

Commissions at this firm, per contract, open + close: mini $4.40, micro $1.58. A round trip is one contract bought and sold (3 contracts in and out = 3 round trips).

Evaluation$69.25
1 more attempt × $69.25 (new purchase, no reset price published)$69.25
Total to get funded$138.50

Passing first time would cost $69.25.

How much the first payout pays you

Enter the profit in your funded account. We apply the buffer, the payout limit, your split and any fee.

Withdrawable profit (no buffer)$1,500.00
Capped at $1,000 per payout$1,000.00
Your 80% profit split$800.00
You receive$800.00

You also need to meet: Profit needed: Profit target again on the CASH account ($1,500).

An estimate for the first payout; later payouts can have different limits. Always check the firm's current rules.

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